The odds are not in favor of the added time it takes to try and chamber a round, let alone the stress of a real situation. Itll never come out to get cleaned, the retention will never fail, the gun will never fall out when you unbelt to take a crap in other words you dont make mistakes. - I'm too old to still think I know everything. All except for that one guy above who thinks muscle memory means hell never make a mistake, ever. That doesnt mean you can ever fool around with one. So old single actions have to be handled and loaded in a certain way to be carried safely. They are: Glocks are completely drop-safe and are one of the safest pistols you can carry. A 1911 or single-action pistol in Condition 1 is comparable to a striker-fired, safe-action pistol, like a Glock, which is always in a semi-cocked condition when a round is in the chamber anyway. I answered the asked question. I carried it un-chambered for a few weeks till I was comfortable. Weight: 22.9 oz. The hammer snagged on a branch, and he shot his horse (he was twisted by the tree). For myself I carry an HK P30sk with the double action hammer in the down position and the manual safety on. (I don't think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.) And the latter is where a Glock is dangerous as is *any* other firearm. 21 foot rule gets those people every time. Only, dumb guys wouldnt understand that. Agreement. Since the pin must have considerable energy to fire the primer charge, and then must expend that energy quickly through a sudden stop, it really doesnt matter, because the available object to provide the sudden deceleration needed to drive the pin into the round is almost certainly going to be the ground, and the round must be in line with the inertia, which, if provided by gravity instead of the firearm itself, must be downwards. A loaded GLOCK, some of the comments went, is susceptible to the dreaded GLOCK ND (negligent discharge). How often are you drinking a glass of milk, or spilling coffee, or having a horn tooted at you while actually handling or holstering your firearm? If anybody could advise me, I'd be grateful. oh yeahuhcarry what you like guys. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. OMG I love those old Fractured Fairy Tales shows! you roll the dice. They didnt know. So Move. Its interesting to note that Massoud Ayoob reported that when one Police Department got fed up with all the accidental discharges with Glocks and went over to a double action only auto that accidental discharges dropped to almost zero. lol 15 in the clip one in the pipe. Other sites have no problem getting notifications to work NOW. No permits needed, no interference from the State. It is completely safe if you take the proper precautions. For all those terrified at Condition One semi-autos, a percentage carried hunting shotguns afield for upland game and waterfowl every one with the . Considering how many types of expanding ammo my plethora of 1911s did not work very well with I gave up on them long ago. Let's dive into the depths of insanity when it comes to concealed carry myths. Must not be working on it very hard. The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe. She was brave. Its decocker is better than a thumb safety. Thanks for the tip. Most learn it in the third grade, so how scary hard can it be? Concerning long guns that are stored for home defense, I think that "cruiser ready" is the ideal state of readiness for rifles or shotguns. And my Ruger .357. If the slide goes back far enough to be out of battery, then the gun will just fire out of battery. Just the same as the guy thumbing the safety off, he will beat me. Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. I got rid of that one, I didnt really need it, but now, sigh, I wish I had it back. All that said, training, knowledge of your firearms design/function, and practice go a long way to make any firearm safe to carry with a round chambered though some designs are better for a particular purpose. On TTAG anyone can use any name at any time, and that makes it really confusing. Width: 1.18. Well your odds of dying of heart disease is about a thousand times more likely than dying from a criminal attack, so, maybe something to think about. . Not having a bullet in the chamber would make a discharge in the holster impossible. A typing error, or wishful thinking? What youre proposing is more, Are glocks, or other strikers without safeties, truly safe?. You carry your way and Ill carry mine. The gun itself Cannot be rendered safe without the chamber being empty. Many people think walking around with a loaded gun is dangerous, irresponsible, and paranoid. Yep, if you havent actually ever been in a gunfight before you can shut the f#*k up about what or how I carry. True dat. Odds of the shooter getting 4 shots off would be pretty low. Every day. This debate has been going on for years.. which side are you on? A revolver with an empty chamber under the hammer IS ready to fire. No, but itll do the job in almost all instances. Keep your booger hook off the bang switch, use a good holster . A 16 year old In drivers ed may not be very experienced nor skilled, but at least in my day, was paying more attention than a driver more familiar with driving. Your taste is in your ass., Your brains (what little you have) are in your ass. The S&W EZ has a grip safety and a good trigger pull. The Baltimore Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Miami Police Department, and Maryland State Police are all known to utilize the Glock handgun. Probably applies to a few other westerns as well though. Made up a little fixture to hold the gun on a piece of pipe, stood up on a ladder and let the gun fall onto its muzzle. So lets just say its a personal choice and your way isnt better than mine, but I will never accidently shoot my leg or foot. In meantime, happy to train Israeli carry and take the tragedy buffer. If you have a modern weapon in a holster that covers the trigger, you are in pretty good shape. The Glock 19 pistol was initially produced in 1988. I submit extremely unlikely. Nope. Until I do, its one in the chamber with safety engaged and hammer down on a DA/SA pistol. When I was new to guns I bought a DA/SA pistol with safety/decocker because I lacked the confidence to go with a hot gun without the safety, never fell for the empty chamber myth as a safe way to carry, always thought it was a sure way to get killed.. Once I was confident enough, now I only carry a gun without a safety and it always has one in the pipe, always carried in a holster. Glock 17. One of them is as you describe (a 3-screw Single Six). Did dad work for a local Florida PD not to be named? Glocks dont have an external safety because they were designed as a simple to operate as possible. If youre going to do something like defend yourself with a firearm. Too big, to heavy although I can cock the hammer on the draw with no problem (passive firing pin models). There is at least one fully loaded firearm in every room of my house and my shop. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. Why would anyone want only one of something? For the most part.if the gun goes offsomeone pulled the trigger. . Glock developed their patented Safe Action System which will not allow the gun to be fired without a finger on the trigger and a dedicated trigger pull. So the trigger safety is designed to prevent the pistol from firing if its dropped or if the trigger is subjected to any pressure that isnt a direct firing pull.Best practice is to keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire. The practice of empty chamber carry continued with the introduction of magazine-fed, semi-automatic pistols. Some say it makes the trigger drag, but it doesnt on mine. No external safey, DA trigger that goes bang when you pull it.. Introducing an unchambered firearm means you only have one hand, at best, firmly gripping the pistol. i carry mostly to counter the mass shooting incident the type of which where afterward everybody says if there had only been a good guy with a gun and i will more likely than not have time to draw the weapon and charge it while i get my ooda loop going. I forget just how stupid people like you really are your response is so childish and you carry guns I hope you dont blow your face off looking down the end with six letters grow up. Check out this post which is one of the most popular of all time. Another difference is that the Equalizer is only available chambered for the 9mm Luger, where the Shield EZ can be had in .380 Auto, 9mm Luger and .30 Super Carry. For 1911s, the danger is similar if you carry hammer down on a loaded chamber though I dont know why any somewhat intelligent person would do so. The fact remains, we are always training. I am pretty tired of people telling me how to handle my weapons. Does the gun have a firing block mechanism. Theres simply no point in carrying an unloaded gun. Have you ever negligently ran a red light? It was called Fractured Fairy Tales, The difference between you and me is I am real you live in a virtual reality world oh and btw dummy they dont call it Glock perfection for nothing, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. FNS9-C. You have to train how you'll fight and fight how you train. 1 you many not have time to chamber. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. If you want a single action trigger pull, either carry a SAO autoloader in condition one, or choose a hammer fired model that one can manipulate its condition at will. And I include all the copy cat weapons as well as they are as common as the common cold. I cant believe this is even a subject for discussion. This should convince you that your glock is safe to carry chamber loaded and you won't have to worry about blowing your 'nads off. More bad advice, did the author not learn from his first mistake? Is it a lot of work to train to the level where you never get it wrong? Maybe I counted wrong? Me personally I carry a snap cap in the chamber, so if some lucky bastard grabs my gun and shoots hes about to be dead. In practice? ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Is it just something one has to get used to? If you try to have a healthy debate its always 100% of the time NOTHING but internet people telling other internet people that their particular opinion is wrong. I still counted 16, but when he starts fanning it gets a little hard to keep track. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it. BTW.. Glocks have a 5.5lbs trigger pull so I doubt it will discharge from your love handle rubbing on it. The G44 was thoroughly tested with a wide variety of ammunition to ensure maximum performance and . Modern shooter often often dont want to fiddle with something complex. This is especially true when it comes to the popular Glock line of handguns. On a range or match gun, OFC, my choice is different. These arent exactly the most concealable guns out there. A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. I asked administrator. Nothing is more dangerous than a little knowledge. . Next, there was some discussion about GLOCKs. The Glock 17 is a full-size pistol that is chambered in 9mm. So instead of just grabbing said gun from the night stand and chambering a round, I should keep it loaded and put it in a lock box so that I can fumble around with a tiny key and try and put it in a tiny hole in the dark? It would be as if a round was pushed into the ground, primer up, and then a firing pin dropped from a height, point down, directly into the primer. If you cant respect the power and danger of an automobile why would you think you could be trusted with a firearm at all let alone one without a safety? Apply the 21 foot rule. While I agree its better to have a round in the chamber, I dont, not at the moment. The graveyards are full of former motorcycle riders and Glock users. I would consider the weapon fully loaded at this point. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. There we go. The problem is not with the Glock trigger, the problem is a lack of training on the part of the operator. Almost always comes back to the trigger. There are 5 in the house right now; computer room (where I am) living room, bathroom floor (beside the throne) and both sides of the bed. I only know my own lifes experiences, fwiw, too many LEOs cant hit chit no matter what the tool, and Im an honorary. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. If you have your Glock properly holstered it cant go off, Those are what ifs what if you slip in the shower get hit in the crosswalk get rundown by a terrorist in a f150 train be vigilant and stay away from the end that has 6 letters. If youre going to pocket carry, get a pocket holster. Again, though, training is the answer. The M&P Shield is a popular and commonplace pistol for concealed carry. JavaScript is disabled. It's not like TV where you always have time to rack a slide. But now I get 18! Thats intentional. However, that also creates issues. ended up in the guys nostril, and he still didnt get quiet, until he heard the cocking of the hammer. In my own case I carry a gun because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT and being prepared for the defense of my life is a purely secondary concern. Am I being silly? Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? Personally, I have several, ranging from BP revolvers to modern SA and DA revolvers & semi-auto pistols, to rifles and shotguns. * the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense. With any decent holster you will be fine. In my 3-screw, yes. Here we have a conundrum. Big thing, its hammer fired and its also DA/SA, so I have no problem with chambering a round and lowering the hammer. to all you sanctimonious what iffers and self styled know it alls out there: Nov 11, 2010 (Edited) Dingus said: To gain confidence, do this: Take your G19 and holster to the range. Daughter carries the 9. Dave: And the 1911 series 80 fits into that category. With hammer fired guns, we have more options to prevent guns from accidently firing. A loaded Glock is a little more dangerous than a striker with a heavier trigger and when you carry a missile behind the hammer and like a lite trigger , like I do , I advise people to carry a thumb safety , like I do . Seems more in line with your abilities. And so it is when carrying a Glock as well. For those of you that don't know, "Israeli Carry" is the practice carrying a pistol without a round in the chamber. So I traded it. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. It can also affect the speed at which the weapon fires. Carrying On An Empty Chamber. Glocks have a blade in the trigger that is very light so that if the pistol is dropped, the inertia of the fall will not pull the trigger ( as the pistol is partially cocked). As the saying goes, you do you. Over at gunssavelives.net, Dan Cannon has unearthed the SAFE-DRAW system for GLOCK brand GLOCK pistols.SAFE-DRAW gives the Austrian-born pistol an initial 17 pound trigger pull. Situational risk assessment. The odds of a holster obstruction triggering a Glock in that case is an acceptable risk due to the greater risk of being too slow. Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it?, And, again, absolutism that is far too easy to refute. Absolutely YES!! Passive safeties Are Not A Replacement for an active safety. My point is that I see no benefit in limiting my defensive options. For my "duty firearm", I carry a Glock Mod 22 Gen 4 (.40 S&W cal.). Training is nothing more than repetition. Sad, isnt it? Hire someone who did it on other blogs. Its your right to self defense. I usually carry chambered with a revolver or my .25 but the trigger on my new Glock 19 is so easy I am not yet comfortable carrying chambered because there is no manual safety. As for the replicas, these are hit-and-miss when it comes to carrying on an empty chamber. An old retired civil servant who used to clean toilets in a federal building living off a small pension and social security. You can conceal the Glock 43 comfortably and discretely in a Galco leather holster like the . The anti-GLOCK crowd and they are nothing if not noisy also raised the objection that since a striker-fired pistol is so easy to discharge (a simple pull of a relatively light trigger) then its inherently dangerous to have those guns in a home with small children. Those stances, their great for cops and competition but IMO bot so great in a gunfight up close. Wait a second, so youre telling me that I shouldnt keep my home defense gun in condition 3 but instead have it in condition 1 and put it in a lock box? That was back in the 1970s somewhere. Ho Hum, Well written Colt change the SAA!? Please note, comments must be approved before they are published. It is also the choice of many Canadian cops services. Seattle is like a miniature version from a driving perspective. its full screen with proper sound and everything. We do all make mistakes. The Glock if it came under the Governments Consumer Safety Council would never have been allowed on the market. Training happens every time we do something, no matter if its shooting, driving, or eating. Thank you very much. Mine, of course, is in the latter, and it's held up well to a lot of shooting. (Some chance remains, of course, given extraordinary circumstances that can be described but have statistically no chance of happening.). Glocks are completely safe handguns even though they dont have external safety. When the fight starts, ejecting a live round onto the ground, or hearing the click of a empty chamber, will just mess up your day, maybe your last day. Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Vlad as always you are full of stupid.most semi auto today are Glock wannabes I have carried a Glock 21 for years I fast draw hip shoot and yes stupid Vlad I always carry with one in the chamber, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. Point the holstered G19 downrange at a target and try to fire it without removing it from the holster. More solid irrefutable proof that the Glock is an accident waiting to happen. The general answer is most certainly yes however there are a few considerations. Now that we know what it means to have one in the chamber, let's figure out whether it is safe to carry a "loaded gun" with you. Ive always been a SA semi, or when Rugeting for fun, their SA revolvers, like Single 6 w/Wmr cyl. Jordan enjoys giving his time and resources to help others and has spent 15 years volunteering in a boy's mentoring program He is and will always be an American Patriot. OH NO! Perfect for everyday carry, the compact Glock 43 is a popular concealed carry option chambered in 9mm. When carrying the gun in a holster, the grip safety will keep the gun from discharging, even if the . And unlike Mad, I DO make mistakes. The first Glock safety that you will interact with is the trigger safety, which takes the form of a spring-loaded lever located in the center of the trigger. Just go to there web site, or go to your gun store for more information. The first click is there so the hammer isnt resting on the cartridge. If thats a problem, dont carry a firearm. Glocks can be dangerous When they tumble and fall and the natural instinct is to catch. The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe, and I understand Glocks are way far overrepresented in the annals of ND, which is very easy to understand. When something becomes familiar, inattention and negligence become more likely. Either you will practice with chambered, or chamber empty. If you liked this article, you might be interested in one I wrote all about Glocks Safe Action System. Same here. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. Lets face cold hard facts the more chances you take the more likely you will run out of luck, usually much sooner than later. As if every act of negligence is a deliberate act. Hell, try it with a taser. He also runs his own Gun Blog and YouTube Channel. While I believe training is the answer, its not just fingers that are the problem. The round wouldnt even need to be in a chamber at all. I could give you many other identical examples of Glocks going off while the owner wore them or handled them. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible., Not to mention that those idiots have no right to expect anyone to take them seriously. Do not get me wrong here as training is vital, that said the real problem is you cant cure stupid, Murphy, or brain farts! Even pistols with no manual safety, like this Glock, are safe to carry with a round chambered. Do you supposes THIS guy knows the six letter word for a firearms dangerous end? Like what would happen if the gun was dropped, and then lands on its muzzle. Ever have your computer go slow for a second, but then it opens two(or more) of whatever you clicked on? The LC9s can not be fired in any other way accidently unless the trigger is deliberately pulled. YouTube it. Ive been carrying mine daily for five years and will continue to carry it as long as I can. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! When all else fails eat a mucho big bowl of butter beans and a hand full of BBs that should put a whole new meaning to Kiss my a$$. Ive carried in condition one for nearly 25 years. Just that for most every use, there are other choices that are better. So, there are at least 2 actions required to get a round to fire after removing it from a pocket. How often do you train your driving abilities? Said every one of the people who later came to suffer from glock leg. Hmm that give away means youre at least in your 60s bordering on senility. Long story short, I let it be known that I thought carrying with an empty chamber is a mistake. There are some days (summer, mostly) when I carry the Walther PK380. Ehall my pistolas are chambered with the safety engaged-at home. Weve beaten this dead horse enough. The most likely time a kid will get their hands on my gun is if it somehow gets knocked loose from my [high-quality, proper-retention] holster during movement in tight spaces while I am wearing it. PS: There was a 12 yo kid recently that subdued an attacker with a common socket wrench after Dad missed 39 times with a pistol. Guess what? whenever anyone posts on this page: I assume the manual safety was also engaged, but such a strap on the holster sounds pretty good, as well! See the old Remingtons. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon. Certified Glock Armorer, Colt Armorer, FN Armorer, Beretta Armorer, Smith and Wesson revolvers Armorer. What is your birthday including time and birth location? Perfect analogy. Ive been known to knock over a glass of milk , spill my coffee down my chin , have people toot their horn at me from time to time , you get my point . In the 1930's, W.E. Then I chambered a round. Of course, older designs without an internal firing pin block can go off if dropped. They have defense of the State, of their comrades, or of other citizens.. Of course an ND is user error, but why is the gun designed to make that error likely? Third, the reason that actual experts (I would say I am knowledgeable to a point, but an expert I am not) recommend NOT carrying in Condition Three is for the reason that it takes a lot of training and repetition to get truly proficient and most people with a lot of training and proficiency dont carry their pistol unloaded. Many firearms enthusiasts and experts consider it to be the most effective and efficient way to carry a handgun for self-defense. The trick is training is to do the right thing; doing the wrong thing is still training, just training the do the wrong thing. The 43 chambered for the 9x19 cartridge, along with its immediate predecessor the .380 caliber Model 42, were not the . On paper? Both have pros and cons the secret is you must be well versed to bringing your gun up to the level of lethal quickly. The NYPD used this excuse several times to get out of a situation, basically saying These new-fangled Glocks just go off on their own. For those afraid of carrying cocked and locked or striker-fired guns, the XD-E is a better choice than chamber-empty carry. Appendix carry, when performed with the right holster and a trained hand, is perfectly safe, and that includes your Glock 19 handgun. Unchambered carry is a bad idea because: I do carry that way, however, with my 1911. Let's talk about wh. Im a lefty and the controls on the P 89 are completely ambitious I love SA/DA hammer fired autos. I know some people , maybe most people , will be just fine carrying a Glock with a loaded chamber , but all the reasons people give for not are not 100% wrong either . They said that it was the fault of Glocks having a super light trigger. Much the less wish to discuss the merits of hammer mounted versus frame mounted firing pins, or the S&W design of using a rebound slide instead (my favorite design). Knowing how impossible that is, Im NOT one of those. Glock handguns are extremely personalized, and gun owners have the choice to change out sights and sets off. Repeatedly doing the same thing is training, because it becomes habit. No, but it requires that everything go right when theres a higher chance of something going wrong. That connected to the trigger, which only dropped out of the way when the trigger was fully pressed. All I get is replies that they are working on it. When you carry, do you keep it chambered or do you keep it unchambered so you'd have to actually chamber your gun when you need to use it? A lot of guns, particularly the early revolvers, were considered too dangerous to carry with a loaded chamber . Always, recent training with Instructor who suggested to always carry chambered. Make that line above into: a solution in search of a problem. silly? Kathy Jackson suggests that doing this safely comes down to two things, equipment and habits. Nice catch. Or a musket? One other one was very tragic. In a holster made for the gun you carry, making sure its unobstructed is a quick check. Maybe. I worry that my flesh pushing against the soft holster will somehow depress that little trigger safety and nudge the trigger back. Yet, most of us will also admit that we sometimes make mistakes while driving, despite all the practice/training. The guns must of been 1911s or Browning HPs or similar SA only. and self styled know it alls. A lot of guns, particularly the early revolvers, were considered too dangerous to carry with a loaded chamber because a sharp bump or drop could cause it to fire. Still disagree? Some of the biggest mistakes happen when training at sex. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2','ezslot_5',119,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2-0');The danger comes from dangerous gun handling and not following safe gun handling rules. Why would you do that more in a Glock than in *any other firearm*? Correct. But otherwise it still is a pretty good gunfight scene. The Glock 19 is one of the most popular models of Glock that is available on the market. Not an appreciable amount of time. Old school, extract, thumb, trigger finger, rinse n repeat often until autopilot takes over. Agreed. Are you my mother? The Glock handgun is the favored pistol of law enforcement agencies worldwide. If you cant train yourself to keep your finger off the trigger until you have made the decision to shoot any gun is dangerous in your hands. While carrying or holstering? Actually I carry a revolver, which is 1000% better at typical bad breath self defense ranges than an AR and 100% better than a semi-auto pistol that will get pushed out of battery on a contact shot.

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