Just endings in general. By looking your article I realized that our composite chart is too difficult to try a relationship but when I examine our natal charts, there are many matchings as well. Since each of us share a natal 12th house dominion, then repeated in a shared composite strength, what you have said in your 12th house explanations all seem to feel so true. We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. The diurnal chart's house cusps will also conjunct progressed and directed planets throughout the year and can mark significant days. so we find the True in each other. Of course, this can lead to overspending and a tendency to overvalue anything that is overindulgent and impractical, but the positive energy Jupiter brings will generally get you through it. What do You think about Davison Chart? )~~~a reader with Sun in Neptune and Saturn and Mars both in 12th house. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. We also have 3 composite planets and an asteroid in house 8. These individuals are highly empathetic, but they want to protect their privacy, and they are not easy to open up. When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. Well, I m afraid I am precisely one of those people you talk about in the article , who experiment this weird illusion of being in telepathy with the unrequired love of their life. All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesnt know he or she exists. AT ALL. No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. I noticed you dont offer composite readings. Could I ask Your opinion? Unfortunately, the 12th House is one of the hardest places for Lilith to be. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . Love for loves sake wont fly with the 12th house. RUN ? I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. The fatedness of it all doesnt make sense at times, like union of the subconscious. hi dawn The romantic synastric analysis is the interaction of houses between two birth charts. Lilith here can even be drawn to cults. Nothing in astrology dictates your decisions. I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. I know that there is a purpose regarding this relationship, but i cant find it Its pretty rare. We are both married similar age kids. The 12th house doesnt necessarily mean hidden. It was helpful all of your comments about the rest of composite houses and I say Thank you again for this So beautifully written Dawn. I think this is SO true . . Sorry, I cant respond to lists of aspects. You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. Comparing composites to the biwheel between two charts is impossible, like comparing apples and oranges. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. Tendency to become a victim; cult of mystery; exploration of the suffering of others. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. But someone who tells you they love you every day and tries to break up with you every month is clearly not. Im so confused by this mix! But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. Romantic Conjunctions in the 12th House. I am a pisces sun, mercury, mars. Since then we got closer and closer and couldnt hold back our attraction. Composite north node (Aquarius) trine composite Saturn in Libra (which is conjunct his natal sun). When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) People born with Chiron in the 12th house struggle with their psyche, spirituality, and vulnerability. It is composed of the combined midpoints of each person's planets and angles. What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? Aspects to composite planets will fill in the details. Lilith (M) 5 58' Leo . Transit Jupiter in the Composite 12th House. His Saturn rules his moon and his ascendant, so it is a prominent planet, and as I said, he has Saturn conjunct his north node natally. When transit Neptune is in the composite 12th house, you can explore your spiritual connection, and want to make sure that youre intuitively moving in the same direction. I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. Hi Evelyne. You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world. For instance I have a Composite Taurus Sun at 1-2 degrees in the 12th Conjunct Taurus Eros (also in the 12th at 4 degrees), and the Taurus Asc at 5 degrees. By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. However, the greatest truths will be revealed through periods of meditation and silence. Your emotions may also be cloudy and unclear at times, and your lack of boundaries may cause you trouble. Besides synastry, the twelfth house in a composite chart can also be telling when it comes to karmic relationships. Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. When we left to go home I literally felt a piece of me inside left. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. The Mars/Neptune square did bring an element of slipperiness, but mostly irritating fibbing on his part. You have nailed my experience. Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. The Sun in 11th house synastry overlay creates an atmosphere of friendship between you. It was a complicated, intense, spicy hot love affair that changed both of our lives. This resonates with me. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! Also my moon is conjuct to his sun both ways. Do you think perhaps its just the heavily dominated 12th house of our composite chart thats responsible for my belief that we may be twin flames? When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. Hi Daw And it KILLS ME! I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! Also, I would think that the answer to your issues is not in the composite, but in your natal comparison. Natal Sun in Gemini and Venus in Cancer in the 12th, and Venus is conjunct my Cancer ASC. With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. There is a lot of love between us, much alignment in our dreams and life goals and a feeling of being soul mates and yet a strange disconnect emotionally that has us often feeling like we are on completely different wavelengths. Lilith in 12th House: 5 Key Takeaways. That was over three years ago. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. Also, forgive my double Virgo and the fact that I was once an editor: the phrase is unrequited love not unrequired. Sorry. . Im not exactly sure what our future holds, but I do know we are exactly where we are supposed to be XOXO ~ Thank you for the lovely insights!!! hi dawn:) He is a pisces/cap/aquar with cap moon in 12th house. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? *And in Synastry- My Chiron RIsing (asc in Taurus) sits in his 12th house) Mysterious things attract you. There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. Who cares? thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! Thank you. I have met my match. You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves, not feeling safe expressing them for whatever reason. we activate each others 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th houses also. Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. 4 months passed since then. It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. Entering through my dreams, plenty of astral seduction going on out there in the ethers. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) a strong karmic tie is indicated in the 12th house, or in the other water houses 4,8. A recent class in assassins revealed that the victims often had many planets in the shooters 12th house. If you see any intense conjunctions between the Sun, the Moon, Juno, the South Node, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Lilith, etc. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. Keteki says: May 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm . Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. Sometimes the ego gets in the way of our path, whether through fear, resistance to growth, resistance to break old habits and personal tendencies, or through a lack of interest in what is wanted of us. Im in hawaii for a month, after he broke up with me for the last time, trying to get my strength and sanity back and assure myself that you should not have to TRY so hard for things to work, when these 12th issues come up to work on. Even the sexual draw of 8th house connections can be replaced by more of them down the road, or by the excitement of the 5th. But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. So much more needs to be considered. It depends on your Venus ' condition. With Libra in 12th House, your past life may not be that pleasant. Overall, this is considered a favorable Lilith placement, as it is . There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. I am at a point where Im in limbo and ready to let go if necessary, but I am paralyzed by the confusion and inability to understand whats at the root of what led us to this point. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. I am reasonably happy in my 3+ year marriage, and yet, I still miss my former boyfriend desperately sometimes. venus all in the 12th house. Thanks for this very interesting article about that controversial 12th house and I totally agree with your final paragraph. in the 12th house, you might be safe in assuming that there was a marriage or long-term relationship in a past life. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! The point is not that the telepathy is an illusion, the point is that its real, but it doesnt matter. In this relationship, you tend to agree to a no-obligation arrangement from the start. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. I do use the Black Moon Lilith in my composites, but what she represents there is a whole article of its own. The 12th house is all about past life astrology, so the planets can . The Davison chart is a time/space chart and is anchored in the here and now. The We are very romantic together and trust each other. Mercury in 12th House. Sometimes the path isnt easy to find, and we make lots of mistakes along the way. The Sun person sees in the 11th house person someone, who they can spend pleasant time with. We both experienced he physically (I think) something weird when i was very close to him and I saw something mind boggling in the night when Venus turned retrograde this year. His venus also opposed my Lilith in XII., his Pluto also trine my lilith in XII. In general, a composite Jupiter in the second house makes a couple value a life lived on the grandest scale possible. Learn More. A Venus/Mars conjunction in Taurus can be a beautiful thing. Sorry I cant get into too much detail here, but if your composite Sun is conjunct Saturn, Pluto and the Ascendant then you can only take comfort in the fact that the relationship is meant to be transforming and spiritually challenging. Just not what I wanted to hear. Subconciously I always looked at him for a few seconds like a magnet but did not put any thought to it. Sun conjunct Neptune is a very difficult thing to live with in a composite chart. When synastry presents itself on the Pluto/Node conjunction, the partner to the Pluto person will instigate growth, either from a negative or positive stimulus. PS.. hes the very first guy I ever met who knew and talked about astrology! Im not wanting to drag him to the floor yet. I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. We have a composite 12th house sun mars and venus in Cancer! My sun in the 3rd is squeezed in a T-square between Saturn in Pisces, in the 6th and Pluto/Uranus in Virgo, in the 12th. Thanks for the kind and helpful words, Dawn. When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. I know he is devoted to his son more maybe than to his wife but he cares about him as well because he is a very nice man. My english is not very good. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. It has been a long, hard road, but rewarding and with the planets in Cancer, SO hard to let go. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. The composite chart is probably the best known. One thing is certain, and that is planets in the 12th house dont behave like any other. This placement suppresses your deep subconscious a lot. This is an ultimate guide to Lilith in the Twelfth House of astrology! Everything you said is so on point. We have our composite sun in 12th house, along with saturn. An ex-lover and I share composite Sun/Mercury in the 12th. I am a strong 12th house person- the sun in Libra conjunct Pluto/Mercury in Scorpio, with Saturn in Scorpio widely conjunct my Scorpio ascendent (I told you I was intense) and he has no planets in the 12th. My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? Have you any thoughts or words to share on the 12th house commonalities we have individually, and what impact it lends to us as a couple? We are each in our mid 60she never married, and I (a widow) married 25 yearsto a Pisces. The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) We communicated telepathically and still do. Curious about the sexual response (if there will be anything), its friendly. I could love this man more than my husband who is a caring man and in a way very similar to this man. Reply. 8th and 12th house seem to have haunted me for most of my life , Your email address will not be published. Because of the sensitivity of house cusps, I recommend using the Koch house system . Regine. such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! And what does it mean our 12th. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. ? thanks Dawn for your reply. I live in a kind of constant daydream /illusion of being near my beloved ghost I know this is not truth , but I dont know how I could do without. It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness. Our mars is in cap in 3rd house and mars in 11th house libra. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. Gilly. Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). I mentioned Juno because it has a 1 degree conjunction with the Sun. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. Ive known couples who are married for long periods of time to have 12th house composites. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? The composite chart with the man Im involved with has an extremely tight Moon/Mars conjunction in the 12th, along with the North Node. Im blessed to remember some past lives weve had and we have definitely come together to mend some old wounds and learn to forgive and love one another. In synastry, his Pluto is in my 12th conjunct my ascendent tightly, and I have nothing in his 12th. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). Its time to clean up the karma between you, according to the position of the Nodes in the composite chart. Chiron. Learning to become unattached to outcome is a Neptunian theme in general. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) When we split up I cried every day for a month. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? That may mean leaving you behind. Thrown/compelled into a private relationship that feels confusing and unavoidable at the same time. Together, they like to dive deeper and deeper into unknown and mysterious beliefs, cultures, territories, and ideas. With the composite 12th house in Aries, it may be difficult at times for you to take initiative together when needed, and instead that kicks in when youre moving together subconsciously. :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House? At all. But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. Neptune tries to tell us that we cant own anything permanently, and if we try to possess and not understand the message of universal love (love is its own reward) it will pry our grasping fingers off of whatever we are trying to hold on to.

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